Argonax too easy?

[Steelb_l_ade]

Some people ahve suggested Argonax is too easy so i'll give you some thoughts on it.

Argonax is difficult in the extreme to balance properly.
Consider this:
1v1 Mode:
ANY hero must be able to beat him 1v1 without being ridiculously hard (i.e in about 25-35 minutes of gametime) This includes heroes like the Burrower who mosts of his spells dont work vs titans and the Lichmaster, most of whoms spells will be blocked, and the Shadowmancer who is very weak.
Argonax MUST be able to destroy lots of units at once else you will just drown him in cheapy summons. (Mercs, skeletons etc) However he must NOT kill summons instantly as some of the heroes (Summoner) relay heavily on summons.
2v2, 3v3, 4v4 modes:
Argonax must be tough enough to put up a decent fight vs any team but must also be possible for any team to defeat within a reasonable game-time.
(Try defeating him with: Berserker, Dudjin'kai, Vampire, Dark Rider in 4v4 mode in under 25 minutes)
As you must kill Argo to actually win, ANY combo of heroes must be capable of taking him out, but obviously some heroes are going t be better than others, this is taken into account when designing the heroes.
If you are finding the boss too easy its probably because your waiting too long to fight him. Remember the game is basically a race to get to him, so you want to be trying to do it as fast as possible, not gettign to level 25, having all legnadaries and then doing it.
Try and aim to win in 30 minutes. Experienced games of ROTG tend to last between 25-35 minutes.
At higher game modes he gains:
Better spell resist, higher stun resists, more powerful spells, lots more HP, more mana, recovers hp faster, does more splash, attacks faster, and has greater armour.

[DeathClown]

Really depends on the game situation... A quick and bloody game, both sides may finish within like 20 minutes... Games can be slow and boring, and it'll be hard even after 40 minutes to kill Argonax. So, I'll conclude that Argonax is just fine, because an unprepared group will end up with doing like 90% dmg and just die, leaving the other team to grab win. While if the game is like score 30-70, it's obviously that team 2 kills Argonax with ease.

[yardacon]

got a question about argonax... if 1 team is fighting him can the other come in the area as well?, could be quite interesting...

[Steelb_l_ade]

No, when one team enters his prison the doors are locked behind them making it impossible for the other team to get in there so its not possible to "kill-steal" Argonax in that fashion.
The team that entered is then locked in a battle to the death with him and cannot escape.

If the team that went in loses, the other team may enter afterwards when Argonax is on low HP so make sure you can defeat him before entering.

[yardacon]

ahh ok, i wasn't really thinkin of the ksing value, more of the team vs team + argonax going on could be a little chaotic:eek:

[bo-bo]

I think he is just a little bit too easy ... you could make a challenge mode for pro 3v3 and 4v4 or something ... it gets a bit boring when the boss is so easy to kill.

[Steelb_l_ade]

Well, this isnt so much of an issue in the newer versions as now you can simply put the game in "Deathmatch" mode (Not Duelling) see Gameplay Settings (http://www.rotg.co.uk/index.php?pageid=gameplay_host) for details.
This allows you to play to a score limit that you can set up to 100. So the game can be as hard to win as your enemies are good.
Also, hardly anyone is really that good at the current version so making a harder version of it at the moment is a bit pointless until most people are comfortable with this one.

[DeathClown]

Seriously don't recommend 100, 80 is good enough, 100 is a pain in the arse. Requires hardcore gaming from day 1 tbh, otherwise it'll just end up as a deadlock.

[Racoon]

No, when one team enters his prison the doors are locked behind them making it impossible for the other team to get in there so its not possible to "kill-steal" Argonax in that fashion.
The team that entered is then locked in a battle to the death with him and cannot escape.

If the team that went in loses, the other team may enter afterwards when Argonax is on low HP so make sure you can defeat him before entering.

I object, if you are trailing your enemy team and they go inside the sanctum, it is possible to actually go in with them in rare cases. I've actually done that once.

[chenlimin]

I think that Argonax should grow stronger as time pasts
E.g after 30 min (maybe Idk how long), Argonax start growing in the same rate as you are, so that killing him will never be too easy (late game) or too hard (mid game) . Btw it's meant that Argonax is always too strong to kill easy game.

[Steelb_l_ade]

In early versions argonax was very very tough, and games dragged on for hours, This is not the intention.

The game was orginally deisgned as a"race" vs the other team so the issue is not so much killing Argonax, but killing him faster than them!

His difficulty is balanced against the fact that you should nto be able to abuse certain hero combos to kill him in like 10 minutes =)

Having him grow tougher over time would cause the game to extend over time and encourage early rushes/games that don't end

You CAN change his difficulty 'on the fly' by changign the game mode with use of the -reset command.

[chenlimin]

I was hoping Argonax was hard enough to take skill to kill (instead of farming for ages and than killing him without controling your hero at all).So that the Argonax fight will be fun. (Since most player like a cool and fun ending , e.g epic boss fight.)

[Steelb_l_ade]

It was never designed to be that kinda of game, though if you want a really hard challenge /epic adventure kind of thing just try soloing it or somehting in 3v3/4v4 mode.
That would be really tough =)

[chenlimin]

I was hoping for something cool, like special spells (custom triggered ones), for Argonax, so that Argonax can be cool like most heros.